Keep this community alive!
Jun. 17th, 2009 @ 03:59 am
I just joined this taboo but very interesting community and I really hope that this is no stagnant as Ted Bundy interests me so much!
I just found this site myself. It is very interesting, to say the least. I had no idea that so many people had a fondness for Ted so many years after he was executed. I was working at Florida State Prison (R-wing deathrow) while I was going to college to get my doctorate in herpetology, so I knew Ted pretty well (but not always in a good way). I wish I could post pics on this site. I think I still have a few pics from when I worked with him. I was not allowed to, but I even took pictures inside the death chamber. Oh well, all the best to you.
|Date:||June 21st, 2009 01:27 pm (UTC)|| |
Hi there, TheCobraMan, I have to say I felt very pleased to read your reply, it's very refreshing to know that the interest in Ted Bundy still lives on. There seems to be a deep misunderstanding that anyone who is fascinated by Ted Bundy is either deranged or psychotic, which is very far from true. I'm very interested to know what Ted was like, from your experience? Did he really act in the manner the media portrayed him to be? Thank you for your response, TheCobraMan, I'm currently on break before University starts and I'm researching on Ted Bundy, his psychology is intriguing. All the best to you, would be great to hear back from you :)
Excellent point about the general misunderstanding that those of us who have assiduously researched Ted Bundy or find him compelling must be totally crazy or immoral......when it is quite the contrary actually
I would love to see those photos and hear much more of your story
I only worked with Ted for the last seven months of his life on deathrow. I recall his cell # was R-2-S-8, and his DC# was 069063. I worked the 4pm to 12 shift (and the occasional midnight shift on O.T.), so other than shower nights (every other night) we rarely had to take him out of his cell. There were the occasional calls to his lawyer (Polly Nelson & Diane Weiner) which required transporting him to the phone area. Of course each time we removed any deathrow inmate from their cell we had to cuff them first. In June of 1989 he initiated an investigation that involved me when he accused me of intercepting some legal mail to his attorney Polly nelson. It seems that he drafted a 24 page letter that was to be used as another appeal, and in my opinion would have been effective, but the letter never made it to its destination. Because I was the officer that picked up outgoing mail on the row that night, Ted assumed that I was the one that intercepted the letter. I did see (and read) the letter, and I recall him even asking to see the letter again before all the mail was turned in to be sent out of the prison, but he did not want me to return the letter to him. In his grievance, he stated that it appeared the letter had been folded up, so he thought I folded it to remove it from the rest and sneak it out of the prison. Anyway, after his claims were denied, he half-assed apologized to me by saying "If you did not take it, I am sorry for accusing you, but you were the only common denominator." Other than that, he was always polite and respectful, and appeared to be above average intelligence. You could pick nearly any topic with him, and he would be the authority on it. He was soft spoken, and kept to himself (other than helping other inmates with their legal work. Ted used to seem to get a kick out of scaring visitors that were touring the prison, until the prison stopped bringing visitors by his cell on R-wing. He also was like a chameleon in that he seemed to be able to frequently change his appearance. One day his hair seemed curly or parted on this side, then the next day it seemed straight or parted on the other side, or his eye color seemed different etc. I have also seen him make the scary eyes and face that some of his living victims told of. He seemed to like to manipulate people a lot, and very much enjoyed the celebrity status he had. He worked out a lot in his cell (push ups, sit ups and rapid pacing). He smoked, and solicited money for canteen and smokes from people who wrote him. I never got the thing about people thinking he was so good-looking, but then he was 42 (I was 25), and prison does no favors to anyone's looks. I will see if I can recall anything else that may be of interest.
|Date:||June 24th, 2009 07:18 pm (UTC)|| |
Re: Ted at F.S.P.
Wow! I really enjoyed reading your comment, I even got slight chills at the mere thought of how close to Bundy you were. Thank you for your very comprehensive response, it is hugely appreciated.
I always wonder why didn't Ted continue his Law studies inside prison? It is that death row inmates are not allowed the privelege to study? Here in the U.K, inmates can study for degree programmes which happened to one local politician where I live. I think if Ted did study and the 24 page letter was sent he may have had an extra year or two of life if he was lucky. However, there was no way he could escape the inevitable.
Could you please tell me in which social context Ted would make the scary face, for example, would you see a crack in his charming facade? Why would Ted scare off visitors, granted the fact he was alone in his cell? I read that Ted had a condition where his pupils were very large, so that explains why his eye colour looked darker or lighter some days.
I was surprised when you said Ted worked out a lot because he always looked scrawny and skinny, even on his last interview he didn't appear to have bulked up in any way. Women thought Ted was goodlooking because he had an air of sophistication and charm that "typical" criminals do not. I have to admit, he did look well for his age in his last interview despite living in prison. I was shocked to see that he had no gray hairs or even a receeding hairline. However, I guess sociopaths would not age as quickly as they do not experience stress or anguish which would take a toll on one's looks. Did Ted have many family and friends who visited him?
How did Ted react to the hundreds of letters he recieved from women in the preceeding months to his execution? It baffles me why he wore his wedding ring the day before his execution when he was divorced. More importantly, did you recall any evidence of Ted taking an interest in God? I heard he had accepted Christ into his life, did Ted act remorseful in the preceeding months to his execution?
He could have continued his study of law at FSP, in fact I thought he did. He always had law books in his cell, and all inmates had access to the law library. You are correct; his letter would have just delayed his execution a little. He liked to play with people (visitors) I guess to give them something to remember him by, as if what he did was not enough. I guess the face thing was part of that game or intimidation. He knew well that we (the correction officers) were not intimidated by him, so he was cool with us. I guess I should have said exercised instead of worked out. He did a lot of push ups, sit ups, and pacing. No he was not a well built man, but he kept in shape as much as he could. Deathrow inmates did not have access to weight lifting equipment. I think Ted was used to getting a lot of mail. In the early years (when he first arrived on deathrow) he got much more mail than prior to his execution. I think by 1989 most people were over him. I think he got a kick out of some of the bizarre mail he got, but he did not respond to most of it. It just fed his ego. Even though Carol divorced him, it was not what he wanted, and he continued to wear his wedding ring. I think it was the only piece of jewelry he had and was allowed, so he wore it. I was told he gave it to Jamie (his step son) when he visited him the day before the execution, but I am not sure. Jamie was the only family member to visit him before the execution. I remember John Tanner (a state attny from Daytona Beach) visiting Ted and praying with him. John took a lot of bashing for that. He claims to have accepted Jesus Christ as his savior, but I was not paying much attention to religion back then. I was a Satanist at the time, so religion was not a big part of my life. He told Dr. Dobson that he was a Christian before (and during) his last interview. I sure hope so. I don't wish hell on anyone...even Ted Bundy.
|Date:||June 26th, 2009 01:49 am (UTC)|| |
Re: Ted at F.S.P.
It's very sad that only one family member visited Ted before his execution and that none of his friends visited him either. But I'm sure his mother Eleanor Louise Cowell and her husband must have been present during his execution. Either way, it seems Ted was very isolated in prison. Does anybody know what happened to Ted's daughter with Carol?
To be honest, it's very noble for a man like John Tanner to spend the final hours with him. I find it hard to hate Bundy and I have seen some awful autopsy pictures. But if anything he said was true in his last interview Bundy was truly a product of society (I'm sure any mental illness he may have had exacerbated and made him more susceptible in having the desire to kill). So much hatred is still directed at Ted, which is understandable, but it's also more productive and positive to analyze and understand his psychology. I'd have loved to have spoken with Ted. This sounds weird and bizarre but I think you were lucky to have been close to him, at least you played a part in notorious history.
Thank you for all of you information, I can't express how grateful I am!!
Actually, Louise and John Bundy did NOT visit him before the execution. They stayed in Tocoma, WA, and spoke to him two times by phone right before his execution. Ted apologized to his mom for everything he put her through, and she later called one of the mothers of one of his victims to apologize for her son. I forgot Ted's daughter's name. I think it was either Rosa or Tina (pob. Rosa). I understand she keeps a low profile now. John Tanner had been visiting Ted for some time, but I don't recall him visiting Ted right before the execution. His Lawer and minister were with him and were witnesses at the execution. Polly Nelson stayed in her motel room in Stark. Those pictures of him were taken at Wilson Funeral Home, and were well publisized (in bad taste).
Hi the cobraman,
You mentioned pics you took of Ted in Raiford before. Can't you find a way to share these pics with us? I too find Ted very interesting. I was thrilled when I read that you knew him.
Am fascinated by Ted and his story, I admired only his good looks not his actions.
Well I hope you read this!
Sorry for the misunderstanding, but I only mentioned some pictures that someone at Wilson Funeral Home took of Ted after his execution. Those pictures were widely published (to the disgrace of the funeral home). I never photographed Ted or any of the other death row inmates, as this would be highly illegal. I did take pictures of the death chamber (electric chair), but even that was not normally allowed.
On a different topic, someone recently sent me a book called "Phantom Prince, My Life With Ted Bundy" written by Liz Kendal (fake name) who was Ted's G/F while he was killing some of the girls he killed. I read most of the book, and while the details of the Bundy story were complete and accurate, she spent too much time trying to justify writing the book, and over-dramatically portraying herself as the victim always seeking sympathy. Otherwise it was quite interesting, and detailed his intimate lifestyle pretty well.
Rosalind, I'm so sorry, but I see what you were referring to. I did write in my first post that I had taken some pics at FSP, but I did not mean to imply that they were of Ted. I had taken several pics of the prison, and some outside the prison the morning of Ted's execution, but none of him or any other inmate. Ray
Thanks for replying. I will try to get myself a copy of that book.
|Date:||September 1st, 2009 12:27 pm (UTC)|| |
Re: Ted at F.S.P.
Thank you for posting these comments - they were really interesting to read!
I agree and I commend Tanner and his wife for their spiritual guidance of Ted, it shows such strength of character to love and care for those who society deems 'unlovable' and to forgive as God would. I, too think it is great of you to share your own story and thoughts about Bundy and having met him must be a unique experience to have encountered.
He looked great for being 42, or so I think? He had some tiny visible grey hairs but that was it. The eye colour thing with Ted is something I find to be very intriguing, I never heard about him having a condition that caused his pupils to dilate so much that you could no longer see the lovely, icy blue colour of the iris, although it is possible because I know someone with very light, clear blue eyes as well who has largely dilated pupils from time to time. I am more interested in the observation that a few people very close to him noted, that when he became mad and enraged his eyes would slowly turn dark black, and that if you looked closely you could see these little dark specs that would continually grow until they overtook the entire iris of his eye. Almost as if he were possessed by evil. They said not only his eyes, but his entire demeanour and personality would change drastically, his voice and laugh would seemingly sound different and he would even emit a different scent, weird huh? I know some people might think it is cheesy or corny, but I honestly, really do believe that our eyes are the windows to our inner soul. They reflect who we really are at our very core, and our true spirit and essence emanates through them. I truly think that an immensely evil presence or energy would overtake Bundy sometimes and he became a mere empty vessel for that evil until it overpowered him and it slowly eroded at his soul and who he originally was when he was young. What do you think about all this?
|Date:||October 22nd, 2010 08:22 pm (UTC)|| |
Re: Ted at F.S.P. Prep for Execution
Were you the guard who packed Ted Bundy's rectum with cotton and tissue paper? If so what was his facial expression like when you were packing him? Also, was the cotton gently inserted into his rectum or was it shoved roughly up his ass? Did he try to squeeze his asshole to prevent you from shoving the cotton into his ass? And lastly, how can I apply for a job doing that?
Re: Ted at F.S.P. Prep for Execution
Sorry to pee on your sick parade, but that is not a part of an execution. Turn off your tv and educate yourself with reality.
|Date:||October 23rd, 2010 12:01 am (UTC)|| |
Re: Ted at F.S.P. Prep for Execution
I thought that was real in the film. Perhaps you can educate me. How is a condemned prisoner prepared for execution in the electric chair? I know the head is shaved and the leg for the metal attachments. Is there anything else that must be done? And as far as "peeing" on me or anything else, I'm not into water sports.
How could ted bundy accuse you for intercepting his mail in June of 1989 when he was already dead on January 24 1989?
How could he still be alive in June 1989, I thought he was executed on Jan. 24th 1989?
Hi it's so awesome that you have this opened as few people know Ted Bundy are around.I'm deeply fascinated by him (not a sick groupie), but just curious as I'm sure many are by his psychology as I am a student in the field. If you'd be so kind as to speculate or share your thoughts, can you tell me if you think he felt remorse? And what did the other inmates make of him (heard he played basketball with the blacks)? Thanks for our time and God bless.
Why was Ted Bundy's Ass packed with Cotton......and then they even put a diaper on him . Is this the regular practice procedue. Thanks for an answer.
It was a MOVIE and it was far more shitty than Ted Bundy was after his execution. It was a bunch of bullshit and it felt more like a contemptuous dig at him than a fair or accurate portrayal. I know he did terrible things but come on, that guy that played him was a goof off and didn't resemble, speak, or act like him at all. It was a pathetic attempt that felt like a farce of his life and the lives and memory of his victims and I thought that was in bad taste on the writers part. It is ok to have a crude sense of humour but this was just messed up!Edited at 2013-12-12 03:40 am (UTC)
By the time Ted was executed they no longer did the packing or diaper procedure. His head nd legs were shaved though I believe. That movie is laughable,I was horrified by it,it was just crude humor. The Deliberate Stranger is more accurate nd less offensive.
Thecobraman is a fake liar how could ted Bundy have accused you of intercepting his mail in June of 1989 when he was already dead on January 24 of 1989?